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Read Return to Night by Mary Renault, mostly with a strong sense of second-hand embarrassment. Romance between a doctor in her mid-30s and an aspiring actor a decade her junior, set in England in the months before WWII. I quite liked the protagonist, Dr. Hilary Mansell, which made me feel all the more girl, RUN, you do not need these vibes in your life about the whole situation with Julian and his mother.

For most of the novel, my theory on why Julian's mother is Like That was that she's pretty sure he's gay, but (this being the 1930s) thinks it would be horribly gauche to acknowledge this out loud in any way and is instead trying to passive-aggressively stiff-upper-lip it out of him. The actual Watsonian explanation, eventually revealed, is that Julian's biological father was a "cad of an actor" rather than the dearly departed war hero Mr. Fleming— though, to be fair, this doesn't necessarily preclude my own theory. The Doylist explanation is, of course, Renault's Oedipus complex kink.

If I had a nickel for every Mary Renault book I've read that ends with the love interest almost committing suicide, I'd only have ten cents, but it's weird it happened twice.

Read Strange Weather In Tokyo by Hiromi Kawakami, which oddly enough is also about a woman in her 30s in a friendship-turned-romance with a significant age gap, although in this case, her love interest is thirty years her senior and (it's not as sordid as it sounds, I promise) had been her high school teacher. Reminded me of Tove Jansson's Fair Play, both in its structure of a novel in vignettes and in that it deals with similar themes of solitude and intimacy, albeit in different ways.

Read Greta and Valdin by Rebecca K. Reilly, a warm and laugh-out-loud-funny contemporary fiction novel about a pair of siblings living in Auckland, New Zealand, navigating life in their mid-to-late 20s (Greta is a graduate student in comparative literature; Valdin spent eight years studying physics, had a breakdown, and became a comedian) and love (both of them end up living out their own gay rom-coms!) and their chaotic Russian-Maori-Catalonian family. Absolute 10/10.

Date: 2021-12-29 12:27 am (UTC)
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To be fair to Elaine Fleming (and it's almost impossible for me to imagine circumstances in which I say that with a straight face, so do me credit) she did not have "an affair" with Julian's father. She married him. She would not have had sex with him voluntarily had she not believed them to be legally married. Because the marriage was bigamous (unbeknownest to her) the sex was extra-marital. There was a crucial piece of information missing at the time when she said "yes" which, had she known it, would have converted the "yes" into a "no".

Not in technical legal terms but in moral terms, however much of a pill Elaine Fleming was, she was also a rape victim.

Date: 2021-12-29 08:45 am (UTC)
legionseagle: Lai Choi San (Default)
From: [personal profile] legionseagle
I'm not sure that's entirely the gap between 1946 and 2021 so much as the gap between Mary "So Not Like Other Girls I'm On A Different Planet" Renault and her utter lack of empathy for anyone presenting as female.

I can certainly believe acting talent is heritable but (as Renault knows quite well and indeed writes superbly about in The Mask of Apollo) the reason you get acting dynasties is because the sprogs get all the opportunities from an early age but also get a first-hand look at how much work it takes to succeed and either decide they're interested in putting the work in or not. So definitely much more nurture than nature.
Edited (Correcting reference to other work) Date: 2021-12-29 10:10 am (UTC)

Date: 2022-01-05 05:15 pm (UTC)
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YES, that whole conversation was SO WEIRD. We're clearly meant to feel shocked and appalled by Mrs. Fleming's past behavior, but this is actually her most sympathetic moment in the whole book! She gets jerked around by this cad, who sexually assaults her and then tricks her into a bigamous marriage, and then she reports him to his commanding officer... and Julian's response is "I think he really loved you."

...I mean, I can see why Julian wants desperately to think the best of his biological father, especially considering his obsession with the idea that he himself has perhaps inherited an Innate Flaw. But also DUDE.

Also just baffled by what the Renault Approved (tm) response would be to finding oneself to be bigamously married. My impression is that she thinks Mrs. Fleming's shock and horror are hopelessly conventional lies to herself about her own feelings (lying to oneself being the cardinal Renault sin) and that if she was TRUE to herself and her feelings she would have... continued to be bigamously married to a guy who lied to her about his marital status. It's not like being lied to about something so massive might change someone's feelings or anything.

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